PORTAGE LA PRAIRIE, Manitoba (AP) — A man aboard a Greyhound bus stabbed a fellow passenger, police said Thursday, and a witness said the victim was decapitated.
A Royal Canadian Mounted Police officer said the attack occurred Wednesday aboard the bus, which was en route from Edmonton, Alberta, to Winnipeg, Manitoba.
Authorities are declining to provide other details of what they described as a “major incident.” But passenger Garnet Caton says the victim was stabbed 40 or 50 times by the man sitting next to him before severing his head with a large knife. Caton says other passengers raced from the bus and that he and the driver shut the door from the outside while they awaited police.
He says the attacker calmly came to the front of the bus to show off the head.
UPDATE:
Just as I thought this was the worst story I’ve ever heard.. believe it or not.. it’s gotten much worse.
Details concerning this execution have included the perpetrator waving the severed head at authorities. Some accounts have the perpetrator consuming flesh as well. Apparently he attempted to escape by breaking a window and trying to run (they should have shot him). The most chilling aspect of the story for me was the description of the victim’s scream that witnesses report sounding like the “howl of a dog and a baby crying”. I don’t know what that sounds like, but it’s a sound I never EVER want to hear. The victim was also reported to be AWAKE during the attack as his phone shows he was texting an old girlfriend. He was only sitting there.. texting and listening to tunes. brutal.
The victim has been identified as carnival worker Tim McLean 22. Friends describe Tim as “easy going and friendly”. A friend of the victim stated, “I was completely shocked cuz Tim has never been a roughhousing guy,” he said. “He’s always been a quiet guy, just kind of socialized with his buddies and that was it.”. The victim was also small in stature at 5′4″ and 130 pounds. He never had a chance.
I’d give info on the psychopath but I don’t want to.. I don’t care what his name is or where he’s from. All I know is that I hope he receives not only justice but vengeance as well. The only fitting punishment that I can see is to slowly turn this piece of sh*t inside out and let they flies finish him.
Do what’s right Canada and give this guy what he deserves.. you know you want to.
July 31, 2008 at 8:45 pm
[...] Kanada ist ein Mann in einem Bus während er schlief, von einem Mitreisenden erstochen und geköpft [...]
July 31, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Everyone needs to wait and find out why this horrible crime happened, before jumping to the conclusion that it was a random act of violence. The victim could have victimized someone in the killer’s family, for all we know. I don’t believe that even the craziest of the murderers among us would kill someone so horrifically on a bus full of people with no reason. Serial killers don’t operate that way. I won’t be surprised to read that the victim was a specific target. Even if, no one deserves to die that way.
July 31, 2008 at 9:37 pm
sorry.. I don’t care.
The Canadian Mounties ought to take a page from New York’s Finest.. they pump 41 shots into a guy pulling out his wallet to show ID.. this psychopath was waving a severed head out the window to the authorities..
I would have emptied every pistol into that bus and set it on fire… then maybe launch the ashes into space.
July 31, 2008 at 10:33 pm
What kind of pussies let some guy with a knife decapitate someone on a bus? You can tell they weren’t Americans. The bus wouldn’t have even stopped and the dude would have been tossed out the window.
July 31, 2008 at 11:21 pm
wasn’t it Americans that let a man with a box cutter hi jack a plane?
July 31, 2008 at 11:40 pm
Haha. So true Jamie. It’s easy to judge if you we’re there… isn’t it? I thought the same thing for a second… but then thought… I don’t know. He stabbed the kid in the throat. He was probably dead immediately. And it was apparently a “huge rambo knife”. I wondered the same thing… why didn’t anyone do anything… but again… it’s hard to pass those kind of judgements if you were not there.
As for him knowing the victim… the killer boarded the bus something like 18 hours after the victim at some random stop in the middle of nowhere. I guess it’s possible… but it sounds like it was completely random. Maybe the killer is a crack head or something? But he just sounds like a psychopath.
I agree. Worst story ever. Craziest thing I’ve ever heard. Hard to believe.
July 31, 2008 at 11:42 pm
p.s… here is a very detailed article about this incident.
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=693239
July 31, 2008 at 11:43 pm
Sorry… wrong this. I meant to post this link.
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=693250
August 1, 2008 at 12:05 am
go to ctv.ca, it has the full story and videos of interviews with passengers from the bus…
aparently the killer was like 6feet tall and around 200 pounds with a giant knife, i dont blame anyone for not trying to stop the guy cuz he would porbably just turn around and stab you too. I dont think anyone in that situation would do anything than try to keep everyone else safe and get them off the bus. there was one former soldier who did just that and helped keep the killer in the bus.
August 1, 2008 at 12:08 am
ps heres the link with ALL the information:
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080731/Manitoba_bus_080731/20080731?hub=TopStories
August 1, 2008 at 12:11 am
Beverly Says:
“What kind of pussies let some guy with a knife decapitate someone on a bus? You can tell they weren’t Americans. The bus wouldn’t have even stopped and the dude would have been tossed out the window.”
Are you deranged?!?! This is what went through your head when you read this article?!?! You need help.
August 1, 2008 at 1:22 am
Pussies? What a sympathetic statement, especially considering the horrific experience those “pussies” went through. Maybe five or six more people could have been killed if they got involved. But, then we would have thought that this happening in the United States then, wouldn’t we? Violence is not common place in most parts of Canada, so we do not know how to react in an American way!!!
The articles I have read, praised the other passengers for remaining relatively calm and exiting the bus, so that there were no other injuries. II have also read there were children on the bus.
Bravo to all of the other passengers and the driver for surviving this tragedy.
August 1, 2008 at 1:49 am
Had I been there I wouldve pulled out my bucknife and slashed the attackers jugular vein before he had the chance to behead his victim. What frustrates me is that this happened in Canada which doesnt have the Death Penalty or Prison Rape for people like this.
I also cant understand why the Cops didnt just shoot him DEAD on the spot. Thats prolly what wouldve happened if this took place in the United States.
August 1, 2008 at 2:19 am
It is so easy to judge people when sitting in the comfort and safety of your own home, isn’t it?
With respect to the victim, and as much as I hate saying this, he would have probably been dead by the time anyone could have reached the attacker. At this point, if I were a passenger on that bus, my top priority would be to get the children (and there were several children present) off the bus and away from the danger. So I am terribly sorry that Canadians are so unused to this type of violence that we do not have a whole range of ninja/sharpshooting/kungfu/knifewielding moves in our repertoire.
My prayers are with the victim’s family, and to all those brave souls who witnessed this horrific act.
August 1, 2008 at 2:55 am
Jamie how dare you reference 9-11
August 1, 2008 at 2:58 am
This is horrid and shameful.
DEATH PENALTY for this guy.
Taking the joy of living from another human being is the WORST crime.
Secular. Christian. Jewish. Muslim. Buddhist. However, you get it, SOCIETY needs compassion and respect for life.
This nut job desecrated this INNOCENT young man’s body and stole his life away. FUCK THIS CRAZY SICK KILLER.
COMMIT these people to ASYLUMS. Society needs to protect innocent people going about their lives.
Virginia Tech, Mall Shootings, whatever it is. LOCK THEM UP! I don’t want to know what makes them tick. THEY NEED TO BE ON DEATH ROW! THIS IS HEINOUS!
August 1, 2008 at 3:01 am
Yes, we can’t blame the other passengers. We don’t know what you would do in this situation. 9-11 passengers were under the impression that these planes would LAND and they were HOSTAGES not HUMAN BOMBS! Jesus, Jamie. You are a prick.
BUT… it does make me really depressed that these people ran away and left this poor kid there, alone while this LUNATIC killed him in THE WORST POSSIBLE way imaginable. HELP YOUR FELLOW HUMAN… 30 something people grab whatever, yeah its dangerous, he’s wielding a knife but just throw shit, anything DO SOMETHING, help this poor kid out.
Again, though, it must have been INCREDIBLY terrifying and we were not there so DONT blame the passengers.
August 1, 2008 at 3:07 am
Zelda, that is just a crazy thing to say.
There are INSANE MENTALLY UNSTABLE people out there that commit HEINOUS CRIMES.
The victim was a specific target? Offended someone’s family? This isn’t the fucking Sopranos woman.
Just don’t speak.
August 1, 2008 at 3:12 am
Yeah no I take that back. I mean, they prevented other attacks and were BRAVE. I just feel so bad for this kid.
August 1, 2008 at 3:13 am
Jumping to conclusions about the victim? Maybe he did something? THAT’S HORRIBLE THING TO SAY. Don’t say anything about this innocent victim. ZELDA! You’re really insensitive.
August 1, 2008 at 3:51 am
I live in Winnipeg, about 40 Minutes from Portage la Prairie. I also happen to work about 6 blocks away from the Greyhound station that was the bus’ final destination. Based on the usual suspects that i see entering and exiting buses at that depot I can say that some of the sketchiest people ride the highways on buses in Canada and I will be keeping to the air when I travel. Especially after this craziness. I have a feeling rural poverty or just plain psychopathic thoughts are the most likely scenarios regarding motive. The notion that the two knew each other based on the details provided is pretty thin. Unlike some Americans believe, not all Canadians know Darryl from Calgary.
August 1, 2008 at 3:54 am
Most complete story yet is here: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080731.wdeath01/BNStory/National/?page
“Reports from the scene indicate the man then ate pieces of the corpse.”
August 1, 2008 at 3:55 am
sorry we arnt fucking americans. Bevery your such a fucking prick, i highly doubt you would have attacked the man if he was weilding a huge fucking hunting knife made to hurt a bear.
you sit their probably american so ur also probably overwheight munching on mcdonalds, and its easy for you to say that, but lots of those people made sure the others got off the bus, then acuired the best weapons possible to make sure he stayed off instead of getting off and possibly going after one of the kids.
but dont be a fucking dick the kid was probably dead instantly like i mean he was stabbed in the throat, i feel sorry for this boys family to, but they probably wouldnt want to know somebody died saving their already dead son.
i hate fucking americans like you, not all are like that but some are, to fucking arrogant to pull ur head out of ur fat ass to realize theirs a world outside of ur fucking country.
again sorry to any americans who dont belong in this catagory
August 1, 2008 at 4:02 am
Back in May, I boarded the Greyhound in Edmonton (my home town) just like the victim did yesterday and I agree with Coach, above, that lower income people are over-represented on the bus, at least on the prairies.
The attack MAY have been motivated by prejudice against natives. Board a bus bound for Winnipeg that had originated in Edmonton and had had multiple stops in Saskatchewan and it is pretty much guaranteed there will be natives on board. The attacker may have just decided he was going to behead an Indian and he knew where to find one.
August 1, 2008 at 4:53 am
Thanks beverly. Wasnt it americans that let a shit load of terrorists into their country and than they flew planes into buildings and we still hear about that today. Talk about pussies had it been in canada we wouldnt have been stupid enough to let them into the country in the first place. Jackass.
August 1, 2008 at 5:12 am
As a Canadian, I am dumbfounded. This is the most horrific real event that I have ever heard of happening on this soil. My deepest condolences to the victim’s loved ones and my heart goes out to the passengers witnessing this unbelievable carnage.
In retrospect, I cannot believe that all passengers including the driver on the Bus “LEFT” the bus, while the assailant continued stabbing the victim? It does not make sense!! Why wouldn’t anyone jump him, stab him or shoot him for god sakes? Some of them must have even past the guy on their way out. UNBELIEVABLE AND UNACCEPTABLE.
Needless to say that the horrors of it will perhaps torment them for the rest of their lives, knowing that perhaps they could have made a difference in this tragedy.
August 1, 2008 at 5:34 am
In response to what “Mutiny” wrote.
Needless to say that the horrors of it will perhaps torment them for the rest of their lives, knowing that perhaps they could have made a difference in this tragedy.
How do you exactly figure they could have made a difference? The people on the bus are regular people, what do you suppose they could have done exactly without getting killed themselves? If that were you I bet you would have been the first to book it off that bus. Why wouldn’t anyone shoot him? Uhh yeah let me guess everyone just happens to carry a gun in there back pocket. Why wouldn’t anyone jump him? uhhh because im pretty sure they were afraid they’d be murdered by a lunatic who started someone on the bus. Some people are so ignorant
August 1, 2008 at 10:16 am
Hey Beverly
This kind of stuff rarely happens in Canada unlike the U.S. where numerous acts of violence happen on a daily basis.
I wouldn’t be suprised to find out he was from the USA
I feel sorry that you are so de sensitized and would promote further violence by “Tossing that guy out the window”
Give your head a shake lady!!!
August 1, 2008 at 10:37 am
I also want to say my heart goes out to the victim and his family.
I am Pro-Death Penalty and Pro Gun Control and think we need to get rid of dangerous offenders but I do not want my country to become a place where vigilante justice is O.K.
I love my country and I love the USA also but we have very different views on violence {due to our histories}and even with the population ratio Canada is a much safer place to live…..We must be doing something right!
August 1, 2008 at 11:18 am
Just look at all the armchair heroes what buch of knobs you all are and for the dick nose that would have jumped with a buck knife ….I say BULLSHIT you would have….don’t be such a cock !!
August 1, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Beverly is right. For 3 hours this guy is left on the bus to butcher a young guy?! The weak and pathetic lack of response while someone is being murdered is as bad as the crime itself. Everyone there, including the police, whenever they bothered to arrive, should spend some jail time right along side the murderer. And spare us the useless excuses for what amounts to a lack of basic moral courage.
August 1, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Yeah you’re a real hero kaitlin. These passengers just had a horrible experience and it seems like the kid couldn’t be helped. The guy was apparently huge and a psychopath and psychopaths are physically strong due to their insanity. Maybe they would have overpowered him, but 3 or 4 more people would be dead and original victim would have long bled to death.
Idiot
August 1, 2008 at 1:54 pm
As an American,
I don’t think anyone knows what they would do in this situation unless you have been through it before. I don’t see why it is at all necessary to turn this into a Canadian vs American type feud. A very horrific (random) crime was commited and it could have happened in either country. Compassion for this man and his family should be what is taking precedence in everyone’s mind, not attacking one another like the murderer on the bus did…..
August 1, 2008 at 1:56 pm
All around the world, society must deal with mantally unstable people who commit the unthinkable, on both strangers ,and family. How many parents have killed their own children because they heard voices telling them to do so? People on this blog are criticizing the passengers for not going after the attacker – well where were all the the students going after the crazy killer(s) at V-Tech or Columbine? The best way to minimize further casualties, is to get the H out of the situation as fast as you can. And for police to just shoot the guy??? If we can arrest the guy, and try to find out what prompted the attack, just maybe we can find ways to prevent further incidents down the road. Let Mr. McLean’s death not be in vain!
August 1, 2008 at 1:57 pm
I wouldve pulled out my 9 and shot his ass dead if I saw something like this happen! Furthermore, Im pro-death penalty but I really think the guys who did this would be much better off spending the rest of his life getting the Shit raped out of his asshole in the slammer. Dontcha think?
August 1, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Son of Bill Brasky Says:
“The Canadian Mounties ought to take a page from New York’s Finest.. they pump 41 shots into a guy pulling out his wallet to show ID.. this psychopath was waving a severed head out the window to the authorities..
I would have emptied every pistol into that bus and set it on fire… then maybe launch the ashes into space.”
IM SO GLAD YOURE NOT A COP! Its idiots like you who give americans a bad name! dont abuse your right (and privledge) to own a gun. What part of “decapitated” do you not understand?! You have to be out of your mind to remove someones head, who knows what else hes capable of? He’s already hit rock bottom whats stopping him from killing everyone else. I think those passengers who stopped him from getting off the bus are heros! they obviously appricate life more than you.
Beverly Says:
“What kind of pussies let some guy with a knife decapitate someone on a bus? You can tell they weren’t Americans. The bus wouldn’t have even stopped and the dude would have been tossed out the window.”
Youre so full of it. I’d love to see you stay calm and collective while some crazy guy stabs an innocent guy to death then cuts of his head and later eats his flesh. Oh wait…i forgot that fucked up crimes arent out of the ordinary there. I gaurentee that you’d be the first one off that bus, trampling everyone in your way. You honestly cant say you wouldnt be afraid of this maniac. Stop lying to youself you ego-maniac. And why would be we toss him out the window where he could behead more people?! idiot!
Anton Says:
“Had I been there I wouldve pulled out my bucknife and slashed the attackers jugular vein before he had the chance to behead his victim. What frustrates me is that this happened in Canada which doesnt have the Death Penalty or Prison Rape for people like this.
I also cant understand why the Cops didnt just shoot him DEAD on the spot. Thats prolly what wouldve happened if this took place in the United States.”
You all say you’d do something about it but come on now…I find it hard to believe that the first thing going through your mind when you see some guy hacking off another persons head is “im gonna kill this guy NOW by myself”. PULEASE! get off your high horse, who are you trying to impress. you dont fight fire with fire so why kick this guys ass, whats that gonna accomplish? We’d be just like him if we fought back.
We dont have the death penalty because thats getting criminals off easy. they take a life, we take theirs?! They dont appriciate living thats why they choose the life of crime. Theyre greedy people who just want want want so we take take take everything away from them. We’d rather make them suffer with decades of confinment and no contact with the outside. This isnt OZ, making someone your bitch isnt the punisment suitable for a blood hungry twisted monster.
This guy is sick, no doubt about it. But killing him is probably what he wants, why give in. i personally dont think this guy should be sent to an psyciatric ward where he will be “treated and released”. An incident like this should be an automatic life sentance. Id hate to be this guys lawyers, no doubt they’ll pull the “not criminally responsible due to insanity”…HELLO!!! he paraded around with the head like a trophy. im sure he knows what he did was wrong. Im egerly awaiting this trial and new information.
August 1, 2008 at 3:22 pm
First off Zelda , your a moron, actually asking us not to judge this person, for such a brutal and senseless crime, first off as the story dictates from other passengers from various news reports , he had seemed normal in the beginning of the trip, and on each stop he would board on a different seat, one account was next to a passenger about to sleep, but upon him sitting next to him, he decided he would stay awake, it wasn’t until the last stop when he actually had a cigarette with the victim and a couple other passengers (who has said in that instance everyone in the group was just small talking, nothing to ignite any type of altercation). The man was reposted , upon the last leg of the trip scouting and looking over passengers, and unfortunately the victim was the first to fall asleep).
Secondly what the hell is up with people as indicated in the news reports the passenger in front of the victim , heard his first scream, and the people on the bus do nothing!!!!!!
Granted it is a terrifying and potentially a deadly situation, but what about doing the right thing, and not just watch, he had time to stab this poor soul multiple times before decapitating him, if it were a gun even myself would hesitate, but a knife a group of people could have jumped this guy before the final result, but choose to do nothing, my heart goes out to this man’s family, and as bad as this sounds , I truly wish the rest of those passengers a life time of torment and guilt, knowing ( even though the man may not have survived with the size of the knife and his injuries), the could have do something , but didn’t even bother to try !!!!!!
The world has become a very sad place.
August 1, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Okay noticed a couple other posts , that the facts seem to elude people, Beverly , what does being an American have anything to do with it, believe it or not we (yes I am American) are not the end all and be all of moral fiber, quite the opposite, their are hundreds of stories within the United States , they show similar tragedies, for example the story of Kitty Genevieve of New York back in 64′ the woman was beaten and assaulted , as 38, yes 38 people watch this man do this thing, and even when the killer walked away momentarily , Neighbors and onlookers did nothing, and if they would have, he would not of had the chance to come back moments later to stab her to death, and in recent years, the NY subway slashing, and the said story of the woman in another story in CA. begging for people to help her, before being thrown of a platform to her death, and the Hit and run death of an elderly man in CA a few weeks back, a street full of people watched this happen, even on video news clips you see a few just walk up to this(at the time still alive) man and do a quick glance and walk away and do nothing, (from the video you can see some of those people just walk down the street, it wasn’t until almost 20 minutes later someone called for help, by than too late!! IT IS CALLED “DIFFUSION OF RESPONIBILITY”
So please do not and try and put our country on a pedestal, the country is far from it, this kind of stuff happens everywhere, get a clue and do some research before spouting off nonsense!!!!!!
August 1, 2008 at 4:04 pm
WTF is right, these crazies are everywhere and sometimes people are just too afraid to react except to protect the ones they can, including themselves. This “Hannibal”, should never have been allowed out of his “rubber room”. He methodically chose his victim for a reason as he was sitting right at the back of the bus. There was no way for anyone to even attack him from behind and who in their right mind would go nose to nose with a 200 pound physcopath brandishing a huge machete type weapon, when the hardest thing they have on their person is probably their shoes. Human response will always be to run first and then assess the situation from a safe distance to determine what can be done. Truly a horrific story, that disturbs one right down to their soul. My prayers goes out to all who loved Tim
August 1, 2008 at 4:26 pm
On second thought, you’re probably right that this guy wouldnt mind being killed. Even so, I think that a lifetime of assrape is a MUCH more fitting punishment for what he dead than for him to be executed. Lemme be clear: the Killer is the on who would be the ‘Bitch’! It would HIM who would be fucked shitless on a daily basis for the rest of his life. I know nothing of canadian prisons but I somehow doubt they’re NEARLY as violent and dangerous as American prisons. Since the killer is asian put him in a 4-man cell with a bunch of Aryan Brothers who’ll pimp him out like the HO he is.
August 1, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Wow, these postings got ugly quick.
August 1, 2008 at 4:52 pm
hes not asian?! hes native american.
How do you know hes not into that kinda stuff?! How do you know he’d be the bitch?! If i was in prison for like robbery and this guy came in who eats people and cuts there head off, id be willing to be his bitch so he wouldnt eat me! YOU NEVER KNOW! stop assuming this guy is some weak individual.
Also, jail is different than the outside world. Here we frown upon what this guy did, in jail he could be seen as a hero or maybe not to that extent but he’ll have street cred for sure.
August 1, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Bind Torture and Kill this fucker for what he did. And torture him medieval style, not the wussy gitmo torture.
August 1, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Koree-you’re from winnipeg. WTF makes you think this guy is physically large and powerful? BTW his name is Vince Weiguang Li which sure as bloody hell is NOT Native American! Maybe he has some native ancestry but nonetheless that name is CHINESE! Futhermore, you are making A LOT of assumptions about the U.S. prison system, most of which are DEAD WRONG. I dont know where you get the idea that this mans act would give him street cred in the slammer; maybe YOU would suck up to him but a lot of folks in prison sure as hell would not. Remember Jeffrey Dahmer? He did what this man did to at least 13 people and Look At What Happened TO Him!!!! He was murdered in prison in a manner as brutal and ghastly as he killed his victims! Given the notoriety of this case, there’s a VERY good chance that Vince Li will get murdered in prison by someone looking for a shot at fame. And I have No Doubt plenty of big guys in there would jump at the chance to make a killer like him their Bitch.
August 1, 2008 at 6:55 pm
whole thing escalated kind of quickly. I love the battles back and forth between americans and canadians.
Mounting an attack against this guy on a bus while a panic frenzy occurs around you probably is a little easier said than done but I agree, as soon as he began taunting the officers outside the bus with a severed head and consuming human flesh it was pretty much time to pump ammo into the greyhound like it ain’t no thang.
but please, lets make this more a war between the americans and our neighbors to the north. its much more productive.
August 1, 2008 at 7:01 pm
I STILL say its a drirty rotten shame that he wont be serving time in an AMERICAN prison since our prisons are FAR more violent and overcrowded than canadian ones. Might I add: the fact that this guy is nonwhite ,that his victim is white . AND that he’s prolly a lone psycho with know gang ties is gonna make him a prime target for the (violent)white supremacist gangs in the slammer.
August 1, 2008 at 7:11 pm
uh, who said i was defending him?! im just more logical than you. Taking justice into your own hands is just as bad and stupid as what he did. dont turn the tables on me because your ignorant. I was trying to say that jail isn’t enough punishment for him because hes so twisted.
Killing him wont bring back tim. Let the justice system do what its there to do!
August 1, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Well Koree, thats why we have a little somethin’ called JAILHOUSE JUSTICE!
August 1, 2008 at 7:35 pm
im not saying hes anything, but you cant assume hes this weak guy. 6 feet tall 200 pounds, doesnt sound too small to me. In the paper they said he was native, unless i read it wrong?
have you been to prison anton?!why are you turning this into a hate crime? doesnt matter the color of your skin, if you kill someone, youre fucked!
He most likely wont be sent to an every day prison anyways.
Dahmer was in the 70s you cant base shit off that! Plus Jeffery was a perv and had sex with the dead bodies and whatnot, im sure thats frowned upon in jail. kinda like child rapists.
dont get me wrong this guy is twisted and should be locked up forever im not denying that.
August 1, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Koree (from winnipeg), you’re a goddamn genius. Your comments are so insightful it makes my ignorant American brain swell. Including saying the perpetrator isn’t Asian. Vince Weiguang Li…. yeah, sounds German to me.
Killing murderers never brings anyone back but it ensures they won’t kill again.
“Let the justice system do what its there to do!”
yeah well your justice system just charged this guy with SECOND degree murder.. which if convicted this guy could be eligible for parole in 10 years.. nice justice.
so “logical”
way to go Canada.
August 1, 2008 at 8:20 pm
uh ya, im not the legal system so why so mad at me?!
i thought you didnt care!
ps.
dahmer killed between 1978-1991
they didnt catch on untill 1987 KTHANXXXXX
August 1, 2008 at 9:14 pm
OK…. The facts are …the poor guy was killed (rest his soul) he was beyond help so the next thing to do is save your self and the bus driver is resposible for the wellfair of the living and my hat goes off to him for getting every one off the bus with no injury.
For those people who sit at their computer and say ” I would have done this” ” they should have done that ” don’t be such fuckwitts and for this crap ” America is greater than thou ” mmmm arogant wankers it is because of America that the world has turned to shit…..fuck witts
August 1, 2008 at 9:29 pm
To karl (and ‘the dude’, shrivelled little willie and the rest of your ilk)– karl so “idiot” is what you call someone who advocates attempting interventions to save a life and bring an end to butchery. You have several adults with crowbars, hammers, tire irons, even rocks to throw. Throw gasoline on the bastard– but FCSs DO SOMETHING. Whether you’re successful or not– Do you let the girl drown in the ocean– do you even try to recover the body (she’s gonna be dead anyway and it might be dangerous)? Do you let the accident victim bleed to death on the side of the road? Do you turn a blind eye if a child is being molested? Do you let the muggers beat the homeless guy– do you walk by and pretend not to see this stuff? And do you let the guy on the bus take 3 hours to butcher a kid? (“like being on the beach” a ‘witness’ said.) THREE HOURS! Obviously YOU DO. Well karl, doing what is RIGHT over what is easy is always hard and yeah, sometimes dangerous. Life hands everyone those moments when there is no ‘other guy’ around to do what is necessary– be it dirty, disgusting or dangerous. Your response is the perfect example of exactly what is wrong with anyone willing to rationalize away inaction with excuses in the face of monstrous evil. Your thinking is nothing but a lack of conscience, a lack of involvement, a lack of responsibility, a lack of a spine. karl you (and your ilk) are pathetic losers that personifies the very worst while self rightousely justifying your lack of inverterbrate gonads. Those words are not harsh enough for the likes of you. Too bad it wasn’t you with the headphones on the bus next to the guy with the knife. It shoulda been. Maybe next time. We can only hope. There are enough slugs in the world, and believe me dreck like you won’t be missed.
August 1, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Jamie-
For you to compare this to 9-11 is insane. If the people on the plane would have tried to stop the terrorists, that could have resulted in the plane going down and killing everyone. These people were safe on the ground, and should have tried to do something, after of course getting the children off the bus as quick as possible. I hope this guy feels more pain than the victim when his time comes.
August 1, 2008 at 10:25 pm
As a Canadian, I am dumbfounded. This is the most horrific real event that I have ever heard of happening on this soil. My deepest condolences to the victim’s loved ones and my heart goes out to the passengers witnessing this unbelievable carnage.
In retrospect, I cannot believe that all passengers including the driver on the Bus “LEFT” the bus, while the assailant continued stabbing the victim? It does not make sense!! Why wouldn’t anyone jump him or hit him on the head with a Wheel wrench or a Bar for god sakes? Some of them must have even past the guy on their way out. UNBELIEVABLE AND UNACCEPTABLE.
I have gone over this in my mind and have been prompted to check cases were a person has been under attack with bystanders as witnesses.
There have come across several cases across Norh America and in Europe, where bystanders have been charged for antipathy towards crime being committed.
I cannot picture how so many passengers and the driver did not think about grabbing a craw bar and other tools common to a Grey Hound Bus, and subdued the assailant.
This case in my view should be investigated not only in its criminal context by the assailant, but as a whole as to at least investigate from a psychological point as to how exactly a large group of bystanders watched the crime come to its gruesome end.
Needless to say that the horrors of it will perhaps torment them for the rest of their lives, knowing that perhaps they could have made a difference in this tragedy.
Where does doing the right thing and human concious towards fellow man become one.?
I wish this had not have happened here. But it has and we must look inwards for the missing link.
August 1, 2008 at 10:40 pm
I am not turing this into a “Hate Crime”, but I AM pointing out there certainly ARE plenty of people here in the US prison system who would JUMP at the chance to kill a guy like this! You seem to have some sort of respect for him Koree-not in the sense of liking him but you really think this guy is super bad-ass when in fact he’s NOT. WHERE did you come up with him being 200lbs? Even so, there are some guys in the slammer who are 100lbs heavier and have been weight trainging for YEARS in there! I serioulsy doubt that Vince Li would be that hard to kill-especially if you have a nice long shank. BTW, the killer had a faily large blade he used to commit his crime. Its NOT like he’ll have that kind of weaponry at his disposal. Besides, Jeffrey Dahmer killed in the 80s you Moron and he was sentenced in ‘92, then killed in ‘94. One of the MAIN reasons why Dahmer was murdered is NOT because of his necrophilia, its because his crimes brought him fame and the killer wanted a piece of that fame by being the one who took Dahmers life! No I havent been to prison but Ive heard personal accounts directly from people who Have. BTW Koree-have you ever served time in a US prison before? If you’d be scared of having Vince Li as your celly, lemme tell ya-you’d get repuation as punk and you’d be gangraped until you found some big fella to agree to protect you in exchange for being his Bitch. I dont care HOW gruesome this mans crime was, he DIDNT do it with his bare hands and he wont exactly have a giant hunting knife to defend himself with in the slammer.
August 1, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Out of your mind to remove someones head, or an islamic Extremist
August 2, 2008 at 12:08 am
I hardly think “Vince Li” be a Muslim name, but I see your point
August 2, 2008 at 12:22 am
To the Canadians referencing 9-11 fuck you. You have no right. To the Americans calling Canadians pussies fuck you. Just because you’re American and have a higher crime rate (apparently that is something we are proud of), you have no idea what you would do in that situation because you havent experienced it. And I am a mixed martial artist and I’m still not sure I would rush a man after the victim was obviously dead. Its not just about being “brave” its simple smarts. Get other passengers off safely. My prayers go out to the victims family and all witnesses. Its sad how screwed up people are.
August 2, 2008 at 12:57 am
This is a dispicable crime and there is absolutely no excuse for this, even if they throw up the defence of mental illness, if a person is ill enough to go round cutting off innocent peoples’ heads in cold blood then they should be throw into a jail cell with the worst kind of people in the world and left too destroy each other. Sorry that sounds so right wing, but this story made me sick! Peace and love to Tim and his family, I wish you every sympathy and hope in this unspeakable time. This piece of s*** will get what he deserves in this life or the next.
August 2, 2008 at 1:57 am
Naima-I agree with you 100%. Im sick and tired of this Bullshit legal clause of “not guilty by reason of insanity”. Dangerous violent people who happen to be mentally ill should NOT recieve more merciful treatment.
Just toss ‘em in the slammer and let Bubba turn ‘em into a BITCH!
The reason I brought up my country’s penal system is that this kind of grizzly crime happens A LOT more often here and the U.S. waaay more merciless on violent criminals than Canada.
August 2, 2008 at 4:07 am
Please write to Prime Minister of Canada at asking for severe capital punishment for this monster at: pm@pm.gc.ca
Thanks
August 2, 2008 at 5:36 am
Good advise Randy.
As for the RoadRunner here, speak for yourself. Some would have used the nearest heaviest or deadliest object and at least tried to stop the maniac with it rather than waiting outside for it to be over. Makes sleeping at night possible afterwards, like using some instinctive concious.
I can’t get over how the passengers all waited outside and did nothing.
August 2, 2008 at 5:56 am
How did this turn into an America VS. Canada debate? Everyone should pray for the victim, his family and the witnesses who are also victims of this horrible crime.
To all of you who have insulted Americans:
We are not all fat people who eat McDonalds. There are many wonderful People in this country.Yes, there is lots of crime here, but this country is made up of of many different kinds of people. I personaly have never witnessed or participated in a crime. It is not as common as it seems. I am very proud to be an American just as I am sure that canadians are very proud of there of their country just as it should be!
August 2, 2008 at 6:12 am
The RCMP said the passengers were very brave:
Bravely taking to their feet, they beat a very brave retreat!
August 2, 2008 at 6:30 am
The RCMP would rather not make things “too complicated” in case it increases paperwork. Brave indeed.
August 2, 2008 at 6:35 am
Paranoid Delusional Schizophrenia at its finest for sure.
As for reactions of people before such a stressor..
Their reaction was normal.
Shock, disbelief, and self preservation.
They dealt with Critical Incident Stress immediately during and after.
Acute stress Disorder for a month,
then possible ptsd after a month
Survivors guilt too.
August 2, 2008 at 6:36 am
I don’t really think it’s a Canadian thing. People look at the difference in gun laws and foreign policy between the US and Canada and assume that Canadian culture is one of inaction. I think the problem is much more widespread than that, though. Some have referenced 9-11 and although it’s not the same thing, I think it’s an apt comparison. No, people on the planes didn’t know what the outcome would be, but they failed to stand up for themselves nonetheless. It doesn’t make them at fault, just like the inaction in this case doesn’t make the other passengers at fault, but it *is* disturbing nonetheless. We live in a culture where we subcontract our protection to other people to an extent where it has become someone else’s responsibility to stand up and stop bad things from happening. It is a risk to put yourself on the line for another person, but I believe that there are certain moments in our lives where we are given the opportunity to justify our worth, to prove that we are not just coasting through but that we can make a difference to the people around us. The people on that bus failed to do that and for that they should be ashamed. I am not promising that I would have done any differently if it were me. I would like to think that I would have tried, but we’ve grown soft and I can’t prove I’m any better. Still, I would like to see the passengers on that bus recognized for what they are: cowards.
August 2, 2008 at 6:50 am
I have a correction to make for comments made regarding passengers on at least one of the 3 flights in 9/11;
the passengers DID put up a big fight according to Black Box recordings as well as personal cell phone messages and recordings.
At any rate, I think what some of us here have wondered about is why nothing was done by the passengers to prevent this crime.
In a way we are questioning our own concious.
By rights it should be a human instinct to prevent harm upon a fellow human.
August 2, 2008 at 7:28 am
I honestly dont blame the people on the bus for reacting the way they did. Its questionable whether or not they could have saved this mans life since he was stabbed in the side of the neck and wouldve bled to death AND if no one had a weapon or martial arts training they couldve easily have become additional victims. But I sure as hell DO blame the Mounties for not opening fire on the bus when the killer was inside and taunting police by displaying the severed head of his victim! I honestly do believe that had this happened in the US that our police most likely wouldve shot the killer dead because american cops seem to be far more zealous and aggressive.
August 2, 2008 at 8:25 am
First off I would like to applogze for all the Americans in here making normal american like me and some others look like complete dick heads… but honestly I do agree with why wait for a trial the cops should of shot him on spot. Second… I don’t want to hear anyone else talking about how jail life is unless u have been on the inside to see for yourself. If this guy went to an American prison he wouln’t be touched due to the psycotic nature of the crime… even the hardest of the hardest criminals in prison would give him his space. Back to what someone was saying about the plane being hijacked with box cutters, what the media did not, would not tell you is that the hijackers had home made bombs set at the cockpit door so if it opened… BOOM!!!! (I lost my my brother in one of those plane you fucking prick) also to the “Pussy” calling the bus passengers “pussies” I also would love to see u on that bus trying to stop this man form his demented rampage of carnage. Just cuz we are Americans does not mean we don’t feel fear (asshole). To whoever said that this guy should not be punished and should recieve treatment … WHAT FAIRY TALE WORLD DID YOU GROW UP ON OR HOW MANY DRUGS ARE YOU TRULY ON!!!! (dumbass) I didn’t read them all because i dont like to read to much especially when there are such naive people trying to sound all intellectual and prissy… i will give it to u straight… i am not that smart i am not Mr. clean police record… i am an American… i hate politics (republican and democrats alike)… and i cant stand people who cant see a situation for what it is instead of why it happened because after sawing/hacking someones head off it doesnt matter you deserve to be hung by your flesh on shark hooks while someone slices your stomach open and lets you watch your insides fall out and repent for your sin before u bleed to death.
August 2, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Ive actualy SEEN pictures of this guy Lionheart and he really ISNT all that big and strong. If I were in prison and this guy came to the facility I were locked up in my first thought would be how I would kill him by suprise. Have YOU been in the slammer in the US before? There are plenty of cases of totally psychotic people being murdered and raped in prison by larger, stronger inmates.
August 2, 2008 at 3:18 pm
So i did a little more reading and i see people tryin to mark the passengers as coward…GO LICK A DICK!!!! Most of those people were either asleep or half asleep… I am sorry i am 6′4″ 280 built and still if i wake up to someone hacking off someones head my first reaction would be to run to…. noone is in their right state of mind when the first wake up…also seriously think about the traumatization for those poor canadian citizens the paid 40-90 bucks for a bus ticket with a beheading thrown in for free i dont care what u say that is a good deal… NOT!!… I would never be able to sleep properly after seeing someone hack off another persons head right in front of me. Thats just plain creepy.
August 2, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Why can’t people just wait for the facts to emerg?
As for statements that the cops should have shot the guy for taunting them; Can anyone explain how that can be justified when it was clear the victim was already gone? There was no imminent threat to justify lethal force. You can’t kill someone just because you don’t like what he did. Don’t get me wrong, I would not have lost sleep had the offender done something threatening to justify being put down but he didn’t. If a cop shot the guy he would then be accountable.
August 2, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Dude, Im Not trying to say the passengers were cowardly! What Im sayin is that if I were in prison and this guy were sent to the prison where I was at I would be making planes to rape him and kill him. BTW Lionheart, given your size if you were in the slammer and this guy were your celly would you REALLY be afraid of him in there? Im sure you could rape the shit out of his ass and I would think you would.
August 2, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Mike-the police DO in most circumstances have the right to use deadly force against an armed suspect and this guy WAS armed with a hunting knife! If the Cops and shot him to death I SERIOUSLY DOUBT they would face disciplinary action and/or crimnal charges. People get shot to death All the time in the US whenever they confront the cops or refuse to surrender.
August 2, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Also,
Witnesses say the guy stabbed the kid 50-60 times. Probably by the time anyone realized what was happenning, the poor soul was gone.
Imagine the back seat of a greyhound bus. Pretty hard to get at a knife weilding maniac with his back to you if he has his victim pined in a corner. All heroics aside save everyone else and prevent further carnage, as the truck driver, passenger and bus driver did. Blocked the door, disabled the bus. It should be noted that the 3 mentioned above did get back on the bus and nearly paid dearly. Everyone on the bus did the right thing. They are all heros for living through this horrendous situation.
August 2, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Anton,
Just having a weapon is not enough, at least in Canada, to justify lethal force. The Offender MUST do something to threaten another person. I am sure that is true in the US too. Any Officer who shot this guy would at the least face discipline from the RCMP but also likely criminally.
Just because we understand the cops decision and agree with it, doesn’t make it legal.
August 2, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Whatever everyone wants and thinks, the bottom line is this:
-This Offender will NOT be put to death by the legal system.
-This Offender is definately mentally ill.
-He will likely be found NCR (Not Criminally Responsible) for this act
- Canada does NOT have “not guilty by reason of insanity” like we hear about in the US. He will NOT “WALK” as some posters have been concerned about.
-He will likely be placed into the “bug ward” (mental health wing) of a prison for the rest of his natural life. In Canada this is likely a longer sentence that if he were found guilty of 2nd degree (or 1st degree for that matter) murder as Canada does not have natural life sentences. Life here is 25 years. Everyone can get out. Not necessarily true if they are NCR. Keep our fingers crossed, he should never be on the street again.
August 2, 2008 at 3:40 pm
By the way, Prison murders are extremely rare here in Canada.
August 2, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Clifford Olson was convicted of 11 child killings and he’s still breathing.
August 2, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Mike-there are PLENTY of cases of people being shot dead by the police in the US for having a weapon and refusing to obey the cops demands. In most cases the officers recieve disciplinary action at most but its fairly uncommon for them to stand trial for murder. But I guess I’ll take your word for it that things are different in Canada and the RCMP may very well be more accountable for their actions. There are also quite a few cases of American Police fatally shooting Unarmed suspects because they percieve a threat. Remember the groom-to-be who was gunned down in his car by the NYPD despite him being unarmed??? Had I been an officer on the scene and this taken place on US soil you can Better Believe I wouldve opened fire! American Law Enforcement personel are often VERY zealous-particularly in urban areas because they are under pressure to be percieved as being “tough on crime” and want to send a clear message to criminals that if you confron the police you could very well be killed.
August 2, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Wow I can’t believe the people who are speculating reasoning behind this… “The victim could have victimized someone in the killer’s family, for all we know”… what the hell is wrong with you? Suppose someone who knew the victim came across this site and read your comments, knowing that the victim in no way prompted this to happen. Read what his friends are saying about him. If you know a loved one, you know how they would be in a certain situation. They know there was no reason for this guy to be killed like that. And it has nothing to do with being Asian, white, Canadian, or American. It’s a matter of insanity and evil and complete horror, and that can exist within any race and any nationality. Have some consideration for the victim and the victim’s family and friends who will possibly read this. Stop being like the “justice” system and have consideration for the murderer. He gets the chance to get a lawyer and defend himself. The victim never got that kind of chance.
August 2, 2008 at 9:07 pm
I agree sene, but nonetheless a crime this heinous calls for Extreme measures. Incarceration just isnt enough, the killer needs to be TORTURED!! Thats what Ive been saying All Along!
August 2, 2008 at 10:14 pm
I agree totally sene. As I stated in my 1st post we need to wait for all the facts.
People are clearly venting their horror and disbelief that this thing happened. Emotions are definately in the way of peoples common sense. It is possible we may never know why this guy did what he did but all the speculation and crap just adds to the anger.
Anton, as for your last post, who decides which crimes deserve street justice? If my child was molested I’d like the guy dead, therefore should someone kill him? If a convienience store gets robbed should the owner be allowed to kill the guy if he sees him a week later? Where do we draw the line? That is the job of the justice system, like it or not it’s all we have.
As for your mention of incidents of cops dishing out street justice, I know it happens but that does NOT make it right.
Finally, I wish to say something I know will be controversial but I bring it up just as food for thought. I in no way wish to lessen the horrendous nature of this incident: Here it goes, Had this guy simply stabbed the victim and killed him on the bus, the media may have offered up a breif page 5 story about a stabbing on a bus. I do not believe it would have made even Canada’s national news let alone world news. It is what the Offender did after killing the man that has people up in arms (quite understandably). To me, the killing of a stranger for no reason is what makes this so scary. That means it could happen to any one of us at any time.
As for the aftermath, I think that just shows how sick this guy is. By the way, if this guy is diagnosed with a “treatable” mental illness such as Paranoid schizophrenia (my guess for what it is worth) then he will be medicated. Once medicated he will then fully understand the nature of his crimes and likely become suicidal. So Anton, maybe he’ll take care of things for you.
I hope they study the hell out of this guy while he is incarcerated and try to get some understanding of why this happened. If that study can save even one person in the future from a similar fate as Tim McLean then it would be tolerable that the Offender stay breathing.
He needs to be put in a place where he can never harm another.
August 2, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Well leave it to the RCMP thats the reason why it took three hours before anything was done. I’m sure the young man had passed away by then, but why would anyone allow for the slaughter and mutilation of his body to continue. These are questions that need to be answered.
August 3, 2008 at 12:58 am
Anton – I can’t help but agree with you. I know to some people it doesn’t really justify things, even when it seems like it would be perfect justice, but yeah… just hearing about it happen to someone I don’t know stirs me, and it definitely pisses me off that unremorseful killers of any kind, mentally ill or not, get the privilege of testifying. If something like this happened to someone I DID know, I can’t even imagine how I would feel.
And Mike, I see where you’re coming from as well, but it’s hard to be rational after hearing about something that was completely irrational and uncalled for. And yeah, it definitely probably wouldn’t have gotten so much attention if it were just a stabbing. Wouldn’t make it any less horrible, though, for sure.
August 3, 2008 at 1:30 am
Mike: Murderers and pedophiles are the primary targets for street justice. For other crimes street justice is vigilantiism. Since torture is considered unconstitutional in the US and surely in Canada, the only way to see that it happnes is to leave it up to the inmates. Thats why I OPPOSE any sort of legislation of measures to curb prison rape in the US. Because prison rape provides the extrajudicial punishment necessary for these kinds of criminals.
August 4, 2008 at 4:27 am
Drag him outside, then shoot him
Don’t over think this. Who cares if he’s insane, had a hard life, been abused as a child, was provoked etc. He’s a blot on the face of humanity and just forfeited his right to live in society
August 4, 2008 at 11:49 am
There but for the grace of God…
Mental illness is a horrible thing that can strike anyone anytime. I sure hope it never strikes any of the people with the “Just Kill him” attitude.
While i am as disgusted as anyone by what this man did, I want to know why. I’ll wait for the facts before I wish to see him killed.
If he did it because he wanted to, I’ll volunteer to rip him apart myself. However if he is mentally ill, as it so obviously appears, then lets find out if we can learn from him how to prevent this in future.
Regardless, he should never be free again.
August 4, 2008 at 11:51 am
Mentally ill people are all around us. This guy is clearly an extreme example. By far most mentally ill never cause harm to anyone.
Know anyone on Antidepressants…mentally ill!
August 4, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Zelda and the rest of you douche bags wake up. Oof course you need the “facts”. Fact is a young man died in a gruesome way, regardless of the it happened on or the race/gender of the perp/vistim. “Canada this”, “Usa that” come on, fucking pathetic.
This guy is beyond primal and the fact he consumed flesh speaks volumes to just how much we will probably never understand or findout.
August 5, 2008 at 6:22 am
I STILL think that Vince Li should get assraped until he starts shitting BLOOD! Lionhart-for a guy you’re size you have nerves of silk, Bro!
In fact, you sound like a pussy. Do you know NOTHING or knife defense?
Vince Li is quite a bit smaller and lighter than you are and you’re telling me you’d be too scared to try to disarm this guy of his blade and then use the knife AGAINST HIM??? Bahahahahha! Maybe YOU would be pussy enough to give this guy his space in the slammer but this crime has gotten worldwide attention. If I were housed in the same prison he was you BET I would stab him in the jugular with a nice big shank when his back was turned to me!!!! Vince Li wouldnt last a night if he were in a 4 man cell with 3 weightlifting Aryan Brothers!
August 5, 2008 at 9:01 am
This was a horrific and inexcusable crime. Whatever the reason for his actions, Vince Li should be tried to the fullest extent of the law. But I have faith that justice will be served through our legal system.
My heart goes out to Tim McLean’s family, and friends. No one deserves to have their life cut short, especially in such a brutal manner. I sincerely hope that Tim is resting in peace. But as a chinese Canadian, I cannot help but say that I have never been more thankful and proud to be Canadian as am today. I am thankful and touched to see that in all media reports and eye-witness accounts of this horrific crime, the killer was simply described as a man and not identified by his ethnicity until much later. It is a reflection of how beautifully colourblind Canadian society is…I know we are not perfect but I am thankful for our ability to see each other as people aside from ethnicity. This is rare and beautiful thing; it is something that most nations cannot offer their citizens.
If you would think back to the coverage of the Virginia Tech shootings by the American media wherein much focus was placed on the fact that the shooter was of Korean descent – despite his having resided in the US since the age of 8, and was in fact a naturalized citizen who spoke fluent English – you will notice the stark difference between the way our nations perceive people. The American media deliberately painted a picture of the Virginia Tech shooter as a ‘non-American’ outsider. In contrast the Canadian media makes little mention of the Greyhound bus killer’s ethnicity. Interestingly, according to media reports, Vince Li had only resided in Canada since 2004 (4 years of out his 40-odd years of life) and spoke very little English, yet the Canadian media makes very little mention of this. I am a college student with friends of asian descent at Virginia Tech who say to this day they fear retaliation against Asians for the shootings which occurred on their campus. As an asian Canadian, I can say that I have peace of mind that my fellow citizens will see this crime as the act of an individual and not reflective of an ethnic group.
God bless Canada, I have never been more thankful for, and proud of, my fellow Canadians. Tim McLean should not have died, but oddly enough in our response to his death, I believe Canada has shown itself to be a wonderful, tolerant, and safe place to live. Rest in peace Tim.
August 5, 2008 at 8:31 pm
TorontoGirl, I appreciate your condolences to the victims family and your kinds words for him. I was NOT intending to incite prejudice towards asians in Canada because the killer is asian. The reason I brought it up is because I wondered whether or not the killer is actually a naturalized Canadian citizen or if he is still a citizen of china. If the latter were true than I think he should be extradited to China because China has the death penalty and that is what the killer badly needs and deserves most-to be Put To DEATH. Here in the US, we are unfortunately accustomed to horrific violent crimes like this whereas people Canada really arent.
Dont think for a moment that violent crime cannot happen where you live because it CAN. The less prepared people are for dealing with it when it occurs the more likely violent people are to take advantage of folks who have their guard down.
August 6, 2008 at 2:39 am
I want to first off say to Jamie, how fucking dare you compare this to 9/11? you and I both know that these people here are just talking when they say that they would have jumped in and helped this poor kid. American, Canadian whatever, everyone was obviously scared and had no clue how to handle this psychopath. But real fucking hero you are saying that Americans were the ones who let people with box cutters on a plane. I honestly cannot believe you would refer to that. Shows how ignorant you really are. Unfortunately this kid could not have been saved after the initial stabbing. And i pray that he did die instantly and did not suffer any real pain. And i also pray that his killer gets his share of pain and torture as well. American or Canadian, it doesn’t change what happened to this poor kid. so fuck you Jamie!
August 6, 2008 at 2:56 am
shut the fuck up all of u… and i agree that in the u.s. he wouldnt have even made it that far….. fuck it put him on a bus in boston that chinky bastard wouldnt have even been able to pull the knife…. even if he did anyone of those muther fuckers on that bus would have pounced on him seeing how the majority of people in boston have been held at knife point or even stabbed… but yes canada has its problems along with america i will admit…. but overall godbless america and fuck you you no good hockey playin pussy ass fucking canadian faggots…..
love peace
August 6, 2008 at 7:20 am
He didn’t commit a crime in China, he can’t be sent to trial there. Canadian citizen or not, he committed a crime in Canada and he will be tried here.
Its not that I don’t believe that Li committed a crime worthy of death. But I think its much worse for him to live with what he’s done and lose his freedom. If anyone heard the news reports today…apparently Li asked to be killed – and I quote “Please kill me”. If we did kill him, he’d get what he wants…and think he should never have the privillage of making decisions about his again.
Rob, believe me I am not naive enough to think that I’m safe all the time. I guess in the end ’safe’ is a relative term…but I refuse to let fear get the best of me and change the way I live my life.
August 6, 2008 at 3:40 pm
I agree TorontoGirl, I think she shoulkd be assraped in prison and spend the rest of his life as someone BITCH. Especially since he recently is reported to have said “please kill me” to a judge. Lets not give him death because for him its only an escape. Lets give him life in *Hell* as prison punk.
August 7, 2008 at 12:24 am
toronto u sound like a babe
August 7, 2008 at 5:43 am
ok i have been in prison so the people on here who say he will be someones bitch… please grow up it is not like that in most prisons, however i will note that 98 percent of canadian prisons are very minimum security. would you like this sick individual to have all the comforts of home? that is what its like in canadian prisons. as for the person arguing that the rcmp would be accountable for killing this man you state ” offender must do something to threaten another person” say umm like maybe beheading and eating someone?if the police shot him i would call that justifiable homicide. i will also say that i would like to beleive that if i were there i would try to stop this from happening, but that would be foolish as i know confronted bwith the situation i would most likely do as the rest did and get the hell off the bus.
August 7, 2008 at 4:20 pm
A very dark day for greyhound travel. I have spent tens of hours in greyhound travel and now I’m doubting if ever I will get on a bus again. I sympathize deeply with the victim and his family and as for the killer…..just be served. oh and the passengers did a wonderful job by having this man secluded in the bus until he was apprehended.
August 8, 2008 at 1:57 am
well chizz u suck a fat nut u crazy bostonian. This is an unfortunate event and it would most likely not have been prevented anywhere.
August 8, 2008 at 4:32 am
chizz…
Racial slurs in one post and sexism in the other…way to perpetuate stereotypes about Americans.
BTW…I Boston is my second city and I have NEVER EVER witnessed anyone being held at knifepoint on the subway. Please don’t make your city look bad. Stop being so ignorant, the only reason that this incident may have been prevented in the US is because the security in US Greyhound terminals is much tighter than it is here in Canada… not because everyone in the Boston is a secret vigilante with a total disregard for their own lives. Either way, I doubt the increased security measures would have prevented this incident.
But it does make me wonder what kind of pressures Canada’s non-english speaking immigrants are under. Obviously Li was not in good mental health (not that this justifies his actions). But his mental state makes me wonder if we as Canadians are letting our new immigrants down…
I know many new Canadians who are allowed to immigrate to Canada because of their skills and education, but are unable to find jobs in their field due to employers’ unwillingness to hire them because they lack ‘Canadian experience’. Government programs which aid immigrants in finding jobs in their field are difficult to access for non-native english speakers, and are often difficult to get into. Many of these people end up jobless, or working menial jobs – despite many of them having ample experience and even graduate degrees. I imagine that it must be incredibly frustrating and heart breaking for these people who came to Canada for a better life only to be treated as an unvalued outsiders. Obviously I am not saying that every new immigrant is going to snap like Li or that it is Canada’s fault that this happened (most people would NEVER respond in such a violent and barbaric way)…but I think Canada’s treatment of its new citizens may have something to do with it and we as Canadians should take a good hard look at how we treat our immigrants.
August 8, 2008 at 4:47 am
BTW Chizz,
Being of chinese descent (I put it that way because I consider myself strickly Canadian in nationality but culturally chinese) I take offense to your use of the term ‘chinky’. I think it was quite unneccessary to use a racial slur and that ‘bastard’ should have sufficed as a description of Li (amongst other descriptions I would add…but I digress).
August 8, 2008 at 7:12 am
Stubby: I have NO doubt that in a CANADIAN prison Vince Li will be pampered and protected from (bigger)inmates who’d wanna *turn him out* into a Bitch. AFAIK canadian prisons are NEARLY as dangerous as American prisons in part because canada has less crime and far fewer inmates so there’s no overcrowding like there is in the US. But do you REALLY think this guy would last if he were incarcerated in Attica or Corcoran Prison? You realize that in the US a guy like him would NOT be the only dangerous, psychotic inmate their and some of those other deranged inmates *just might* wanna KILL him to get a piece of his infamy.
August 9, 2008 at 3:51 am
ok fuck this… in conclusion get rid of chinks aka toronto girl and slaughter that bastard on the bus… oh and as for u canadians…. just die i hate you with every last bit of me…. america will always be superior to you so just shut the fuck up ….. toronto girl i take back wat i said u dont sound like a babe… the information that u had just shared with everyone in this blog war was quite scary… i think im gunna shoot myself for complementing a chink… jk i will never back down to minorities
peace niggas
August 9, 2008 at 10:39 pm
This whole thing is very horrible period.We were not on he bus so we can not judge those who were. People seem to also forget there were children on this bus??? As a parent the first thing I would do is get them off!! If these passgeners read all these notes saying how bad of people they were for not jumping in it well only make them feel more pain they porbably already are.It is easy to be mister big stuff and and say that you would jump in but if your not on the bus then you just have a big mouth. It is not about being american or canadian. Horrible deaths occur in both countrys (EG the twin towers) people just feel for all the victims.Things happen so fast to us we think they had all this time to jump this guy well he is stabbing him, but like one of the heros that did jump in said he pretty sure POOR TIM was dead by the time he even got to the seat right behind him were Tim was sitting. This happened so quickly and it was horrible and lets just pray for everyone including TIms family that there may be healing and peace in there lives one day soon!!!
This has nothing to do with the way we treat Immigrants!! We open our country right up. There are different churches from around the world. Where I am from in canada. There are different schools for different relgious backgrounds. And much much more……………… I appreciated everyone in the world!!
This Li proabaly has a mental disorder and needed medication. Or was stressed out as you say and with our good health care system he could have gotten whatever help he needed. Macdonalds offers good benefits packages to its employees.
it makes me sad to see all of you judge strangers that you dont even know. Why all the hate is one war taking all the us and canadian soilders not enough in our lives?? This is how and why people kill other people from judgement!!!!!!!!
August 10, 2008 at 4:22 am
i agree w/ Rick… This is about a pour young man who got his life takin away from him in the sickest way i could ever think of. But alot of the people are on here are making it into an american vs. canadian thing. Theres good in bad in every country and ppl from america arent better than canadians and canadians arent better than americans. We should really be showing are sympathy for the family and the pour man who got his whole life takin away. Show compassion people! lets not fight when the whole situation isnt about us. This guy is sick and a psychopath who deserves to go to prison for the rest of his disgusting life! Nobody deserves what that man got that day and my heart goes out to all who had to witness such a horrible event. Insane incidents like this make this world a freaking scary place to live in. My deepest condolences for the family and i hope everyone settles down in here and focuses on whats important..
August 10, 2008 at 9:40 am
To t Says:
Don’t so be naive. Just because there are churches, and allowence for different religious orginizations does not equate with proper support of immigrant transitions into Canadian society. True Canada is quite open to accepting immigrants from different nations, even too accepting. But that does not mean once immigrants are here we do our best to help them integrate into Canadian society.
What I am saying is that Canada lacks support for helping non-native english speaking immigrants find a place in society. We don’t descriminate against immigrants insitutionally. But there is definately a lack of programs which help immigrants transition into Canadian society. Foreign professionals are given priority in immigration, but once they are here there are few if any government programs which help them apply their education and experience towards finding employment in Canada.
I am not saying that as Canadians we deliberatly descriminate against our new immigrants. We are just lacking in our support to help our immigrants transition smoothly into our society. It is not uncommon for skilled immigrants who are well equiped for a job to be turned away due to ‘lack of Canadian’ experience. The government of Canada realizes this is an issue and has actually launched a series of ad campaigns to encourage hiring of skilled immigrants by employers. Can you imagine being the Dean of Medicine at a teaching hospital in your own country and be unable to find work because no one recognizes your degree? I know someone who this has happened to. Programs for re-educating and licensing foreign doctors are incredibly difficult to get into.
During college my boyfriend worked in the shipping center for Canadian tire, and it was filled with skilled educated immigrants unable to find work in their field due to lack of Government guidlines to become re-licensed to work in their fields within Canada. Don’t tell me that we’re not letting our immigrants down. Now normal people will just deal with the pressures of being unable to find work without lashing out. I am not saying Li was normal.
What I am saying is that in failing to help our immigrants find productive roles in Canadian society, we may be causing our own problems. I love Canada, but we’re not perfect…we let people down.
August 10, 2008 at 9:42 am
Ewweee…to Chizz. What A Pig.
August 11, 2008 at 6:29 am
I agree that murder this foul should be punishable by torture and equally brutal death. The dude had no motivation, the victim was an innocent 22 year old kid, he desecrated his body- it would be irreverent to simply gas him. But I mean, I suppose it wouldn’t be right to attempt a level of inhumanity that this chinese guy did. Idunno. Let’s just say sometimes I hope Hell is real.
August 12, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Hey Anton,
What is it with and all the ass raping shit. maybe just go tell them that you will take care of him and make him your bitch since that is what you keep talking about.
Since this is about a tragic event that happened and no one can change the events why don’t you stop saying what all you would do in this situation cause like some people I would like to think that I could have been able to help but I know it wouldn’t have helped at all. and also since this has nothing to do with Canadian vs Americans since he was an immigrant from China how about we stop the bickering because horrible things happen every where and putting blame on people who had nothing to do with it does no good and is alittle childish.
On another note I wish we had the death penalty for these certain cases on one hand but since the only thing he has said was “please kill me” to the judge i say he should rott in prison for the rest of his life and it definitely shouldn’t have been second degree murder.
Also the references to 9-11 are horrible and should not be written. people make mistakes that allow for these crimes to be committed but it is not anyone’s particular fault all governments should find ways to make it preventable in the future to protect the rest of the people that need to take these forms of transportation.
September 12, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Skin the scumbag then set his balls on fire.
Then hang him.
November 18, 2008 at 8:52 am
you are all morons
October 30, 2009 at 2:21 am
he was a schitzo so he had no clue wtf was going on
feel bad for the victim though
and all of you are fucking retards